Okay, can't/couldn't help it:

Are you telling me, that Americans are going to Mexico and they are not being called illegal aliens/illegal immigrants? No one is yelling and screaming that they should go back where they came from and stop taking advantages of their system that they didn’t pay taxes into? I am shock!

Here is a whole lot that say the US is the most charitable nation.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu4roJ...om/id/16638810/

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu4roJ...ble_nation.html


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu4roJ...table_countries

Just to clarify, the % shown in Nick's quote as well as the Wikipedia article is Gross Domestic Product, or GDP, which is unbiased towards nations with higher populations, because its a percentage, not total money given.

And, while I can't speak for Nick's reasoning for making it an issue, I can speak to my own...If you are going to accuse the United States of being uncompassionate, make sure it is true. Not only have American citizens donated billions and billions to various charitable causes, but they have also donated their lives defending many of those who now attack it. You can attack the US now, but deep down you know that if some tragedy would ever befall your nation, that the US would be the first one to offer aid.

I'm shocked too that you didn't bother to look into Mexico's immigration laws first.





Mexico has better Immigration laws then we do. Thats the

I am 56 years old. I had health insurance while my husband worked. He recently lost his job. I am pretty healthy and am looking for a job, but have not yet found one. My husband is 60 years old, and his Cobra insurance will expire in 6 months. He has diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. No private insurance company will cover him due to preexisting conditions. We are just praying he makes it until he can get on Medicare. We have a small savings and we own our home, but one hospital stay without insurance will wipe us out financially. Our daughter is confined to a wheelchair due to a birth defect. She is thankfully covered by Medicaid, but has a limited number of doctor visits, prescriptions, etc. Both of us have worked hard since we were very young. My husband started working in a grocery store when he was 13 years old. I have numerous friends about my age who have lost jobs or work at places that do not offer health insurance. I live in rural Mississippi, USA. I feel that those with health insurance are the ones most against those of us without, and wonder why they want to see us suffer.

That is the point, not only are their immigration laws better, they/the people, sound more adult-ish and intelligent! Please, don't enlighten me on how they need our help/money as it seem big business like it better there also!

Nah, I'm betting there's just as many idiots in Mexico as there are in the U.S. The idiots there just happen to speak Spanish, so we never hear from them.

Your story is more common than you may think! A lot of people our age are hurting due to job lost, lost in their 40lK, all or most of their retirement savings went/going bye, bye.

I don’t think what is going on is about healthcare, (you and every American knows this),and within 10 years we will see who is standing.



Or maybe they all moved to America where they felt more at home!

That does not change my point of thinking USA people are more selfish. Apperantly they were selfish enough to keep public healthcare away for longer. Thats nothing to be proud of. But praise to your politicians for at least trying.


The charity is a compensation for the lack of healthcare and other help. We pay more to poor people than the USA only we do not call it "charity" but allow it to be done by the government. Only differnce is we do not call it 'charity'.

The USA still has lots of people dying because of lack of healthcare, and complete homeless families. If the USA really would have spend so much money in charity, why are they still there? If you really are so helpfull and charitable, why would there be way more disabled people without help? USA even has homeless families, people who could get their life back stay in the gutter. We have way less homeless, way less people without help. Why are they still there and get less help if you really spend so much on charity? Because in the end, you spend WAY less on peeople than we do. You just give it another name.

Apparently with all the 'charity' USA still does less than holland. Compensation, but poorly compensation, your charity gives people way less help, than us via the government. We do not even have to call it 'charity' its a normal thing here. We vote yes in the government, instead having to call it charity, and give people way more help than your ego-flattering charity. Do not flatter yourself by calling it 'charity' when you let people rot. Dutch do not need to call it some ego flattering name to give. We spend way less on big TVs, cars, loans like the USA. In that way we are indeed very greedy. True stereotype. But for people we are way more social than you, you are the greedy ones on helping people. Including your charity and lack of social healthcare, you spend less on people. Thats not arrogance thats a fact.


As said I have been volunteering for a USA online organisation for over a year. I have disabled friends from the USA over many years. I am homebound because of my disability, so I have many friends online. I do not need to live in the USA to know them well, if you know and speak to USA people daily you get to know the situations fairly well. I would not be able to live in the USA even if I wanted too, because there, no way I would be able to afford the healthcare I get here. I wouldn never want to live there, but even if I would, its impossible for me. People like me do not live in the USA, nor would people like Stephen hawkins survive. We know that. You are the ones denying that.

I know these things because I help with an online disability organisation and have many USA friends. I do not read stories, I talk with people and friends online.

"People slipping through the cracks" are not rare. There are loads of people slipping through cracks in the USA. About everyone NOT from the USA has healthcare. But USA people who are disabled enough to visit most often do not have. I'd say come visit and see how big it is, and to how many organisations we are tied to. Those people "slipping through the crasks" are not rare, nor do your countries statistics show they are rare. You have a whole different definitions of "rare". Come talk with real people, instead of just assume.

Your politics have been failing for over a decade, you are naive to keep believing they will improve. How many more decades do you need to see it is failing?


Read it again:

It highlighted three types of factors that have contributed to health inequalities: behavioural, including smoking, drinking, diet, and exercise; psychosocial, such as stress from long term debt; and environmental, such as living in a deprived area.

It is well known poor people drink more, smoke more exercise less. And they make more debts because they go for those stupid "loan now" advertisements on TV. And live in crappy hoods.
Our government once again tries to fix that and help them where yours still holds to your crappy selfish system is not even giving healthcare to many.

Its to be taken into consideration here, a big group of the poorest people are muslim immigrants, who do not speak our language. They need a other help, like acccesing our system, because they need to fill in dutch papers to get help, and learn how to make use of health care etc. And learn that women do can swim or exercise and go out of the house. And teach their kids dutch so they can go to a proper school. They have an idiot high aount of criminal male offspring between age 15-25.


Read better. Nowere the article mentions people have less actual access to healthcare. They have less access to a healthy diet, and exercise and more stress from making debts etc.


Here everyone can study on a top university unlike the USA. I would say: read some articles before you write, or talk to some dutch people. You are writing nonsense here.


I'd say: read something about dutch universities before you write nonsense. You apparently haven't.

Here: I found something in english for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_universities

All citizens of the Netherlands who complete high school on the pre-academic level (VWO) or have the Dutch bachelor's degree HBO are eligible to attend university.

Anyone with good enough results can do VWO (top level high school). VWO does not cost extra money you can do that at public high schools and private high schools, no difference. Only requirement is good study results. After that people can get funding for a university for 4 or 5 years.

Same goes for HAVO high school (middle level high school), which is needed to access HBO. HBO and HAVO are also state funded, it is a possible route for people who learn less fast, but want to do university nontheless. Also they get the chance to do university funded by the state.

But as you have pointed out, your system is near perfect, why are people slipping through the cracks in your country? Why are you not doing more to address this problem? Instead of criticizing our government as it works out ours. We are addressing our problems. But seek to do it right, not rushed in a bill that no one has read.


I did read it. And I know Netherlands has a government run housing program. Why is your government forcing the poor to live in poor conditions? Do they not care about the poor they force to live in such conditions? Can they not help them by moving them to better areas? Why so heartless? Its disgusting that any government force the poor to live like that when they control the housing in the nation. Selfish is best to describe it. We live in the better areas, while the poor, we force them to live in less desired areas.



And ours is not? What then is this whole topic about then? And check the first.


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10449

That means, do the math, that if you subtract those who could have insurance if they enrolled, and those who are here and not Americans, that leaves 18 mil, or 5.9% of Americans who need insurance. So lets toss out every ones and force them into a crappy program instead of working out a system that address those who still need insurance.


And we don't have a large immigrant population that doesn't speak English? Same problem here.


And why is that, why are they being forced to the side and not helped into the system. Here hospitals and work places provide multi languages to help those who do not speak English. Why is your country not following suit and providing aid to those in need and don't speak or read Dutch? And why are their youth turning to crime? Is it due to the fact that the heartless people are not providing them the opportunity they need to get ahead?



You read better, I said "equal health care". The rich live better, and longer. While the poor in the Netherlands die sooner, and in poorer health.




I'm not talking about collage, I'm talking about;



We can continue this little dance if you wish. I've got about another 2 weeks before World 42 starts and am well versed in world events and situations. And so forth.

I am talking about my USA friends here, not about dutch friends. My ducth friends all have insurance. My USA friends do not they are the ones in the shit.


The government does not force the poor to live in poor conditions. One of the biggest problems of poor areas is that most of the people who live there are mostly immigrants. They are often muslim, have halal stores etc and want to live together. The neighborhood goes crap because many of the youth are criminals. The goverment is trying to get them to learn dutch and adapt but its hard.
Anyway, its just provocation from your side - your country has 'ghettos' and once again is worse.


As said I am referring to my USA friends. Read my posts some better.


If only your country would do that. But they failed to do so over a decade.. and still there are no signs of improvement. They USA still lets the disabled sink in the shit.


They are not forced to the sides, their parents are doing a crappy job. The mums are not allowed much, the boys do not have to listen to them because they are women, the dads do not teach their children much, because in their original home country, the state would punish the kids for outside criminality. There are folders in arabic with the housedoctor, but those people first need to know such a thing as a housedoctor exists, which some have no idea off. And the men need to know they can send their women there, some men do not agree with their muslim woman going to a male doctor. Same goes for treatment in hospitals.
The problem with the youth is, because their parents don't speak dutch well, their kids often fail at school. They teach them muslim values which would work in their country, but have a bad effect in dutch society.
Its a shame culture instead of an admit culture. As a man in holland if you make a mistake and admit it, your seen as strong. In morroco its the opposite. They do not admit mistakes which makes it harder to correct them when they go criminal. They keep denying. They want fast money status is important so they often go crimial. Another problem is they have disrespect for women, so women are not too fond to hire them. Their home is muslim, the world outside is not muslim, and that does not match. If dad at home calls all non muslim women hookers, and they outside have to deal with women, they draw the short straw. Same goes for gay people. The muslim girls do much better, they work hard to become independant, but those guys are often criminal. End results is the muslim grils do not want to marry the boys anymore. They are emancipated, the dudes are not.


And the USA disableds die becaue of lack of help. You are making no sense here you are just provocating. Your country fails to even gives all people insurace yet you go whine about food and exercise. It makes no sense.

Between success and failure
Survey shows significant education discrepancies among second generation immigrants in the Netherlands

Quote: Originally posted by Amish Nick_SC

No less than one quarter of second-generation immigrants in the Netherlands drops out of school. This is the most alarming result of a recent survey conducted among the second generation of Turkish and Moroccan descent in the two largest Dutch cities – Amsterdam and Rotterdam. However, this is only one side to the story as the survey report also shows that other second generation immigrants are doing extremely well, with a third continuing to higher education. How can these immense discrepancies in educational performance among second generation immigrants be explained? [i]The high drop-out rate among the children of immigrants – who are consequently labelled as 'at risk youth' – seems to be explained by two main factors: "Of course, the low educational level as well as the disadvantaged position in society of the parents of the second generation is part of the explanation", said Liesbeth Heering, International Coordinator of the survey from the Netherlands Interdisciplinary Demographic Institute (NIDI). "However, the inability to cater for the diversity of the pupils in Dutch schools, especially in vocational schools, is an equally big problem" continued Heering.

One of the big problems is the language. The other is their morals and values towards western society. The schools are now offering an extra year to teach middle school students dutch. Because otherwise they still have less chance. Another peoblems is the parents WANTING the kids to go to a muslim school. One muslim school already lost funding because education was crap. Its hard to educate the muslim parents to teach them how to do well in western society. If the keep acting the muslim-way they get themselves in trouble. They often go do the "fast money" studies if they go study at all, its an attitude problem. As said, the female muslims do much better. The male ones often ruin it for themselves. Immigrants from not-muslim countries also do well. Hindues, indonesiasn, chinese never give much trouble and do well in schools.

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